Hall Lane Hindley.

Will be closed for four months from march 12th...no footway access... a long trip around for those the other side of the railway station.

There will be a temporary footpath for pedestrians and cyclists to cross the bridge, apart from Sat 6th May to Mon 8th May.

"Hall Lane Hindley".

Except it's in Aspull !

here we go

Is Hindley Station in Aspull

Hall Lane is in Hindley and Aspull.

Hindley station is in Hindley.

OK, Ok, etc., etc., etc.,

Hall Lane IS in Aspull AND Hindley.
Hindley Station is in Hindley, on Ladies Lane, NOT Hall Lane.

So, it follows, Hall Lane is NOT being closed for four months from march 12th. !

Aspull starts at 61 Hall Lane.

*Kin Ell Tonks... its shut. be it Hindley.. Aspull.. or El lob... tha con't get... cor its shut.. unles thas geet a magic carpet ????

Actually, BB, it's all relevant.
Hall Lane is NOT closed for 4 months.
Ladies Lane is NOT closed for 4 months.
'Access from' Ladies Lane to Hall Lane IS closed for 4 months and vice-versa.
It follows that if someone from Aspull or Westhoughton wanted to go to Hindley Hall Golf Club, they could do so.
If someone from Hindley wanted to go to Hindley Hall Golf Club, they could still do so, by going all the way round and use Hall Lane, which is not going to be closed.

Traffic will be busy on the A58 through Westhoughton.

Gaffer, yes. Correct. And Hindley Station is on Ladies Lane.

Its only each side of the bridge for a limited distance so that work can be carried out on the electrification of the railway line between Lostock Junction and Wigan North Western Stations and the complete closure for two days may mean improvements to the existing bridge or even a new one to allow the electrification wires to have clearance which will not be the case at present.

The same happen on different roads and bridges when thy were electrifying the line from Manchester to Preston.

Some times it is the wording or signage that is wrong. Princess road in Ashton has Signage at the end with the Junction of Gerard St which show Road Closed but it is OPEN for Access to ALDIHow many Aldi customers have drove past the Junction and gone elsewhere because of the wrong signage Has Tonls says only a small area from Ladies lane to Hall lane is shut for access at Hindley Station

PeterP

I said that the signage at the Princess Road traffic lights was wrong, and a sign saying that the supermarket could be accessed, should have been put there, Tonker disagreed......

In Hindley, yoo used to be able to drive down Highfield Road from Hall Lane and on to Hemfield Road and come out on Makerfield Way at Ince, but council barried it off at both ends.

And you also could drive from Hall Lane past Hindley Hall golf club, and come out on Withington Lane, and be in New Springs, I used to do all those routes regularly, including driving from New Springs to Belle Green Lane, and that went over a hump back bridge across the canal.

All blocked off now

Owd Codger

It is the original four brick arch bridge, from when the line opened in the mid 1800s, because four lines used to run through Hindley North Railway Station, the whole lot is being demolished, and replaced with a brand new bridge

Tommy Two Stroke

Exactly, as when I saw that the bridge was closed altogether for two days, I suspected that it might be a new bridge as it only takes Network Rail that period to remove a old bridge with a new one in two full days of day and night working.

Hope it is slightly wider than the old one!

Owd Codger

It is going to take them four months to demolish the old bridge, you can't shift something that size in a weekend, a lot of bricks to be removed, and they have to keep the train's running.

Will the trains be running,more than likely replacement buses.

Probably both, some of the time they will need a full line closure, and they are also electrifying the entire length of the line, so they will be doing that at the same time, has well as working on other bridges.

what on earth would take 4 months of engineering on that stretch of road.

TTS said, "Tonker disagreed......"

"I said that the signage at the Princess Road traffic lights was wrong, and a sign saying that the supermarket could be accessed, should have been put there, Tonker disagreed......"

I did NOT 'disagree'.

I said, "If you look, although the signage doesn't make it clear, the entry to Aldi, off Princess Road, has been left in place.
The sign says "Road Closed Ahead", which it is closed. Ahead. Not actually there at that spot."

There's a difference between "ROAD CLOSED" and
"ROAD CLOSED AHEAD" !

The 4 months is for raising the road bridge, the old Iron bridge is staying and being raised a metre.

In answer to your comment Baker Boy , I would have thought the answer is very simple , That being we are talking about the British work ethic something so easy can and never be done easily. Or to sum it up in Wiganese , "They could not run a Piss -Up -in a Brewery " 4 month's come on who is getting the Brown Envelopes this time , It's a pity theycould not have the Japanese to do the job ,i hazard a guess a month at the most .
G.B.

Link Network Rail

Tommy Two Stroke

May I suggest you typed in the words "Weekend replacement of a small railway bridge" on You Tube where you will find a video of a similar small bridge being removed and replaced in 36 hours.

The weekend replacement of old brick small railway bridges is happening on a regular basis where overhead electrification is taking place and is done so quick in order to have the minimum disruption to train services and road traffic.

In the case of Hall Lane, the work also involves the renovation of the Hindley Station including the Station building and platforms being extended for the new longer trains.

Similar work at Ince Station/Ince Green Lane will follow.

Did anyone mention that Hindley Station is in Ladies Lane, not Hall Lane?

First Mate

Thank you for that link

This Flyover was done in less than 2 months.

Some people have not got a clue about the amount of work that is needed to modernise the railways in our country after years of stagnation under nationalisation.

We still had steam locomotives until 1968, even building more steam locomotives while other counties in Europe straight after the war were switching to diesel and electric rolling stock and modernising their railway systems etc.

We have even been behind other countries like France, Germany, Italy, Japan etc in the production of high speed trains which since the introduction of foreign private investment in our country has started to happen.

While other countries got on with it, we as usual have lagged behind and had to put up with the nimby's moaning about any modernisation of our railway system.

A system which in years to come will be needed now that our major roads are getting overcrowded and gridlocked with cars, vans and lorries!

I have to agree OC.Iworked on the railways 60/70 .Beeching saw what needed to happen,maybe too drastic with somethings but it was decided to put freight on the roads even though BR had committed to container transport.When I worked for BR modernisation was going ahead at a fast rate but the powers that be decided to slow it down and in some cases it was stopped,profits were to be made elsewhere.Modernisation is now very costly but unless it is done in a big way the railways will never attract people or freight to use it in large volume.

retep1949

There is now more freight being moved by rail as a result of the increasing congestion on the motorways which has and is slowing down the delivery of goods and the government stopping the RHA having all its own way like was the case in the past.

Tesco for example even have their own regular freight container service by rail between a FLT terminal at Daventry near Coventry to a railhead between Glasgow and Edinburgh so that goods reach can reach their stores in Scotland quicker than what they can by road.

There might be some increase in rail freight but by far most is on the roads.

That fact needs to be reversed!

retep1949

Rail freight business is not just about transporting goods!

It involves many things that cannot be moved by road!

What! I never realised that.

“Rail freight business is not just about transporting goods!“

That’s an interesting comment Todge.
Mind if I ask…..if the rail freight business is not just about transporting goods……what else is it about???

I can imagine he's pointing out that passenger transport plays a large part in the railways?

The Fly-0ver that Tonks has put up is just typical of how our competitors operate , for if people recall the Eartqauke that struck JAPAN a few year ago and destroyed a hell of a lot of infrastructure, roads being a major problem . Well my point i was trying to make was there was section of a major road completely destroyed some 15 kilometers long ,and guess what they moved in and within a couple of months they had the road open and a brand new 15k length constructed ,but in this run-down country it takes forever ,we just don't seem able to plan and carry out what is needed in quick -time . G.B.

The Fly-0ver that Tonks has put up is just typical of how our competitors operate , for if people recall the Eartqauke that struck JAPAN a few year ago and destroyed a hell of a lot of infrastructure, roads being a major problem . Well my point i was trying to make was there was section of a major road completely destroyed some 15 kilometers long ,and guess what they moved in and within a couple of months they had the road open and a brand new 15k length constructed ,but in this run-down country it takes forever ,we just don't seem able to plan and carry out what is needed in quick -time . G.B.

Golden Bear - here's the problem !

"for if people recall the Earthquake that struck JAPAN a few year ago and destroyed a hell of a lot of infrastructure, roads being a major problem . Well my point i was trying to make was there was section of a major road completely destroyed some 15 kilometers long ,and guess what they moved in and within a couple of months they had the road open and a brand new 15k length constructed"

No doubt if the UK was subject to earthquakes in the way Japan is there would be plans funds and resources in place immediately to repair damaged critical infrastructure in a similar fashion.......as it stands we are not likely to see our main roads damaged by earthquakes on the same scale so, there isn't.

"I can imagine he's pointing out that passenger transport plays a large part in the railways?"

In which case it would be rail passenger transport business rather than rail freight transport business..........would it not?

China have got it nailed.

Use a SLJ900/32

In case anyone is interested, here is a close up of the action.

If you want to look at a fantastic piece of rail/road engineering, look at the connection between Denmark and Sweden which combines a bridge and a tunnel.

Owd Codger

So what doo yoo want ?

A tunnel and a bridge on Ladies Lane ?

I mean a bridge across a railway cutting in Hindley, is not on the same scale as a bridge between Denmark and Sweden, is it

I know it is really upsetting you, because they won't doo the job over a weekend, but come on yoo Owd Codger, live and let live

Cost/benefit analysis Todge, that’s how these things work.

Example……£1m and 3months or £3m and 1 month….what’s it to be?

It’s easy to say they should do this, or they say do that and complain when you see something that doesn’t make sense but, and the hard fact is….it ain’t your money that is being spent.

Good photo TONKS, that just about put's everything in it's place and that's why we are the bottom of everything . G.B.

Tommy Two Stoke

Was my contribution about a rail/road bridge between Denmark and Sweden any different than that of ena malcup about a bridge in China?

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but it appears to be part of everyday enjoyable life with some on here.

No wonder, many of the more sensible people have stopped posting!

OC

Yes, your post was quite different.

My post does not mention the bridge, but the device that speedily places the spans. As such, it follows on from the prior conversation, where GB mentions speed of construction in Japan.

Had I wished to play Bridge with you in this way, I would have offered to trump your post with an account of the The Hong Kong–Zhuhai–Macau Bridge/Tunnels system which is over twice as long as the one you have cited. I desisted from doing so, as it is not relevant to the discussion about the speed with which bridges are erected.

“No wonder, many of the more sensible people have stopped posting!“

Maybe they are just fed up with all the cynicism, the complaints and all the moaning and whinging that goes on Todge

…..just saying

If and when they complete the bridge work I hope they get the council to remove the pinch points on the road either side of the bridge .

A tad ironic. Someone that sits without heating all winter , can’t make cheese on toast advising how to do construction work.

Stop stalking me you turd!

Not as ironic as Broady, who claims to have worked all his life in construction: tried to tell us all on Album that a photo of a Ruston Bucyrus face shovel, was a dragline excavator!

Did you spend all your time in the hut: heard the jargon but never saw the kit.

What were you, the site's rent boy?

Tut, tut. The truth hurts eh. Your manners leave a lot to be desired. You old decrepit turd.

Good here innit.

Stop telling lies about me.

Canada has good mental health services.

For goodness sake, get yourself an appointment to see a decent Psychiatrist.

I realise you are very depressed, spend as much time as you can escaping from your home.

I am sure you do not want to take antidepressants, that is understandable.

But, you like to point out the rules to other people, and one rule asks you not to provoke others.

So, overcoming your miseries by giving yourself an adrenalin boost maybe works, but STOP DOING IT BY SNIPING AT ME!

Get back under your duvet.

Fight Fight Fight

Go on Ena, let him have it

If ever he comes within range, maybe I will.

However my time is too precious to waste it feuding on line with a such a nonentity.

He must find somewhere else to strike up the conflict which he seeks in order to save him from himself.

It is all rather pathetic.

Just to assure you all though, do not get cold. Do not really sit around. I am a very active person, always doing summut. You don't get cold here normally if you are working. At least this Autumn/Winter/Spring never have been cold.

What a load of twaddle. Couldn’t be further from the mark. But hey, he has done everything except be PM. Clean shorts on and off to have a pint with some Northerners.

"What were you, the site's rent boy?"



Well?

I seem to recalled that the picture by tonker appeared on Wigan World a while back in relation to council workers.

Has Dave and company now been transferred to Network Rail?

Posted by: Stardelta (10870)

"What were you, the site's rent boy?"

Well?

come on Canadian clown, answer the question

Walshy,
I hadn’t seen the question. In reply “ that is for me to know, and you to find out”

Another mature comment. Soon be at 20,000.

posted by: broady (18929) View broady's page
A tad ironic. Someone that sits without heating all winter , can’t make cheese on toast advising how to do construction work.

Another mature comment

I thought so and still do.

Billinge B: 1130 replies to your thread. Is that a record?

71, or do you not read very well?

Reported that the work is now going to take longer than planned.

As it is already causing a great deal of inconvenience to residents living in the area of not only Hindley, but also Wigan and Westhoughton, surely Wigan and Bolton Councils together with local MP's Lisa Nandy (Labour)and Chris Green (Conservative) be putting pressure on Network Rail about their proposed delay.

Or is it the usual case of doing nothing?

Don't know Platty !!. Don't usually get many replies to my ranting and ravins

Last week I noticed that Scholes was rammed with traffic mid morning, with most of it heading into town, obviously because of the closure of Hall Lane.

The work was planned months in advance but may now overrun because they cannot coordinate with ALL of the utility companies concerned

I must admit I am finding it a lot safer cycling down Hall Lane/Ladies Lane as there is very little traffic.

Some workmen seem to be digging the tarmac road base up BY HAND so it will not be quick.

Peter P

So everything as normal then?

OC yes its the usual cock up but Network Rail are not bothered who they inconvenience . The people in charge probably don't even live in the area so it is just a dot on a map to them Its time the council put over run clauses in these contracts and started to fine these companies.

I went across the bridge yesterday and looking at all the pipes and cables it is no wonder that the road will be closed longer than first estimated.

Network Rail have a lot of power to do what they want with the railways, these powers are derived from the various railway acts passed by parliament when the railways were being built, it gives them rights of access and other stuff, they do have to consult with local authorities about works which will impact the local area, but basically they do what they want, and it is the same with the utility companies.

Think your self lucky that you do not live in the hamlet of Prestolee in Bolton where ten weeks of repairs to a railway bridge at Kearsley station mean diversion routes with longer round trips than those at Hindley and will be at Ince.

Owd Codger

I don't think that the Higher Ince Bridge closure and works, will be as long or complex as the Hall Lane Bridge in Hindley, because it has not been mentioned in these topics about how many of the utility services run across the Hall Lane railway bridge, all of them may use that bridge

Water.
Sewerage.
Electricity.
Gas.
Telephone Services.
Cable TV Network.

All if not some of those services will be carried across that bridge, and if that is the case, then all those services will have to be rerouted, so as to keep them connected, and then maybe even put back into the new bridge.

That could not be done in a single weekend Owd Codger.

Tommy Two Stroke

Only warning people who come on Wigan World that if they are travelling via the M6I and Kearsley to get to Radcliffe by the A667, the road will be closed for ten weeks for railway bridge repairs and the alternative diversion routes will be a longer way around that area than what they are in Wigan with the closure of Hall Lane in Hindley and the future closure of Ince Green Lane.

Spot on Peterp .
We have a similar project on the M6 from the Goose Green joining that stretch still have signs saying "Completion by SPRING 2023 " Guess what they are still miles away from finishing , all i can think they must have meant SPRING 2024!!!! All inade of smart motorway my rear.G.B.

It's the same with the new interchange station at Kirkby which while being built has closed part of the line between Wigan Wallgate and Liverpool Central.

Promised for early spring, but sill not open1

Owd Codger

Yoo seem to know your choo choo stuff, do you remember the Kirkby Line when it ran all the way from Wallgate to Liverpool Exchange ?
Do you remember how near (six months) it came to closing ?
Do you remember how dilapidated it and the Liverpool Exchange Station were when it's closure was imminent ?

I doo

I used to travel from Pemberton Station to Liverpool Exchange, and then get the Intercity from Lime Street to Crewe, unlimited travel for the weekend from 6.00pm on Friday to Midnight on Sunday, using a Merseyrover Ticket for just 50p

Tommy Two Stroke

It sure was as I experienced on holidays to the Isle of Man.

TTS?

Todge is a gricer…..look the term up.


Then look the name gricer up in the member list.

Hi get the Gricer means a 'Grubby Raincoated Idiot Chasing Engines Relentlessly' but I cannot find a 'gricer' in the membership list. although the name does sound familiar.

Def a member

Like I said, the name did sound familiar, but it does not show up on my search, and I cannot find it in the members list.

Tommy Two Stroke

Wrong, the official terminology of a Gricer is a Railway Enthusiast and what a nice set of people we are!

Long may they survive, including the Owd Codger kind

TTS

Use the WW search facility and see the postings from Gricer.

Will some be in my grave as fast?

And while you are at it, look at the postings of Perkin Warbeck and guess who he is now!

Owd Codger

Who is he

If he talks as much rubbish as you do Todge he shouldn’t be too hard to spot.

Perkins Warbeck’s brother has been known to post on here. Both good posters.

Maybe they were, but what users names are they now?

Perkin and fossil are totally different to OC their posts are well informed and sensible just like mine

I miss fossil, he is a good poster

OC,
What are you rabbiting about? Their user names are still the same. It is just that they post infrequently now.

Whatever happened to Ruddy Duck?

Have you got any idea Todge?

The road is now scheduled to re open on the 1st September according to the latest update.

Stardelta

"Whatever happened to Ruddy Duck"

Got shot somewhere near Scotmans Flash

1st September !!! MMBill...the locals up there won't be Happy.

Tommy Two Stroke

Actually Ruddy Duck along with his good wife, Mrs Duck are both still alive and well and enjoying life on Scotsman's Flash!

This is the 1st of many bridges to be redesigned. If all the rest overrun by the same time frame then it could throw the overhaul of the railway back by another year

Looking at the site this morning I would not be surprised if the works are not completed by the 1st September.

Whish September ????23/24/25????
G.B.

Replacement contractor on-site in the morning.